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How to Come Off HRT

With the increasing data available on the health hazards of HRT, particularly long-term, many more women are considering coming off it but can be unsure of what is involved.

Dr Tony Coope
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Since the Women’s Health Initiative study ending in 2002, there has been an increasing number of studies confirming that bio-identical hormones are safer than, and superior to, their synthetic counterparts.  I have found that women respond better to them, with far fewer side effects.  Many women have no difficulty in deciding against synthetic hormones, either because of their experience of the contraceptive pill, or because of side effects (very common in women with a degree of ‘estrogen dominance’).  Others have had no such problems, but are uneasy about the accumulating evidence.

However, for those women already on HRT for menopausal symptoms or bone density problems, there is often a dilemma. They may be uncertain of the effectiveness of the alternatives, and unsure of how to change from one to the other. Their GP may be have limited knowledge of these, or even be actively against them. What to do?

Types of HRT

Because there are so many different forms of synthetic HRT, it can be somewhat discouraging to women wanting to make the switch.  Just to clarify, the main types of HRT are:

1. Continuous combined HRT; where either a patch or tablet containing both estrogen and a progestogen (progestin) is used straight through a repeated 28 day cycle.

2. Sequential combined HRT; where an estrogen patch or tablet is used to cover the 28 days of a cycle, and a progestogen tablet added for the second half of it. A slight variation on this is with the former used only for the first 14 days, then a combined tablet or patch for the second 14 days.

3. Estrogen alone HRT; as either patch or tablet continuously, or an implant, prescribed for women who have had a hysterectomy. Many experts now believe, however, that these women should be given the same protection as those with an intact uterus, as ‘unopposed’ estrogen also has an unwanted effect on sensitive breast and ovarian tissues.

Practical considerations

Whatever the form of HRT, the practical way to come off it is not so difficult as it might first appear.  The important principle is to first add bio-identical progesterone, if the HRT is estrogen only, or to replace the synthetic progestogen with progesterone if it is combined.  I find this can usually be done over one or two cycles of 28 days, rarely more than three, and it significantly reduces both the cancer risk and that of cardiovascular events such as heart disease, stroke and blood clots. In addition it may well improve other factors such as energy levels, mood and sense of well-being.

Without going into detail for each form of HRT, it is possible to keep the estrogen part going continuously for each 28 day cycle, (eg by using estrogen tablets or patches ‘borrowed’ from supplies for following months), while introducing progesterone or replacing the synthetic progestogen with it.

Some women are able to stop their HRT suddenly prior to going on to their new regime, but in the main these are women who have not previously had severe symptoms, or are using it for bone protection. Those who have had symptoms would be best advised to come off slowly, cutting tablets in half, then spacing them out, according to how they feel, and either cutting down the matrix type patches or taping under the gel type to reduce their surface area in contact with the skin.

If necessary, it is possible to use the bio-identical progesterone together with the synthetic progestogen for a month or so. The two forms act on the same cell receptors, so the natural form will not exert its full effect while this is done, but stores will build up in the body and help to prevent ‘rebound’ symptoms occurring when the progestogen is stopped.

Once the situation is stable, attention can then be given to reducing or replacing the estrogen component. As natural bio-identical progesterone can be converted into estrogen in the body, this may be an added source, and women who have been deficient in progesterone may also not need additional estrogen as the adrenals and fat cells continue to produce it as their ovarian function declines.

If needed, supplementation can be considered in the form of natural estrogen cream, or a bio-identical combination cream containing both progesterone and estrogen. You could also consider phytoestrogens, supported by Vitamin E, omega fatty acids and a regime of bone support, which has received a positive boost with the addition of progesterone itself.

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Leslie | 11:35 pm, January 6th

Thank you for this great article. Question: when you are referring to bio-identical progesterone – do you mean natural progesterone?

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Dr Tony Coope | 5:23 pm, January 10th

Leslie: thank you for your kind comment, and for your question, which is an important one.
The simple answer is yes, as the word ‘natural’ is often used as an easier alternative to ‘bio-identical’. However, the former has a much less specific meaning. It can (rightly in this case) be thought of as meaning natural to the body, and therefore bio-identical. Or as meaning ‘of nature’, with the implication of being good for you; however hawthorn berries and certain exotic species of mushrooms are natural in this way, but I hope you wouldn’t try adding them to your diet!
Closer to our subject, the commonly used HRT Premarin (prepared from pregnant mare’s urine, and containing a mixture of estrogens) can be said to be natural, but the constituents used are natural to horses and not necessarily to humans, which gives rise to the potential for side effects.

The word ‘bio-identical’ in this context is very specific, meaning ‘of an identical molecular structure to the hormones found in the human body’. For reasons which I will go into in my next article on this site, concerning confusion in the use of the words ‘progesterone’, ‘progestogen’ and ‘progestin’, this greatly reduces the risk of unwanted side effects. This holds whether the hormone is ‘natural’, synthetic, or a mixture of the two. An example of this last is the hormone we know as natural progesterone, which is in fact derived from natural plant-based sources such as soy or wild yam, but is altered in the laboratory to conform identically with the human molecule. Therefore, although it can be said to be both ‘natural’ and ’synthetic’, the important thing is that it is definitely bio-identical.

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Sally | 12:07 pm, January 11th

Very interesting article! I had a full hysterectomy when i was 32 and am now 50. I dont want to stop taking HRT (i use Fematrix 40 patches or Sandrena Gel depending on what im doing – they both contain estradiol). I really like the idea of changing to bio-identical HRT but where do i go to get it? I am also wondering if i should be going back to my doctor and discussting whether i would be better off using a combined HRT. If you think this may be the case could you suggest how i should explain to my doctor why and the benefit to myself (if any). Many thanks, your articles are always informative and helpful.

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Dr Tony Coope | 11:44 am, January 13th

Sally: Even if you were to go onto a combined HRT, with the added synthetic progestin giving you a protection factor by ‘opposing’ the estrogen, it also brings its own potential problems (increased risk of cancer, cardiovascular disease and blood clots) as well as a tendency to depression in vulnerable women. This would be one step forward, at least three back.
Bio-identical progesterone would be a much safer option with its own positive benefits, even if you were to stay on the estradiol. However, a good option for you might be to replace this with the safer estrogen in a combined 20:1 ratio progesterone/estrogen cream that is now available.
I am happy to provide this for you, but would first need to talk through your history with you to assess whether this is the best course of action. If you would like to do this, just e-mail me a telephone number to drcoope@bio-hormone-health.com and I will contact you.

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Cheryl Jackson | 3:00 am, January 19th

I am 44 and just had a total hysterectomy 2 weeks ago. My doctor put me on premarin. We did not discuss hormone options before the surgery so I am taking them. I would like to be on something natural. What would you suggest I do? I any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cheryl

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Leslie | 4:45 am, January 19th

Cheryl if you research Premarin on the Internet you will find it is very controversial – and has many adverse side effects. I am sure Dr. Coope can address this with bioidentical hormones.

In 2002, the Women’s Health Initiative reported on the results of the first independent study of HRT and they realized the risks to women’s health outweighed the benefits. This was after HRT was on the market for 30 years.

Unfortunately, too many health professionals are not aware of this. Most women and men are estrogen dominant and adding more estrogen through Premarin may cause cellular overgrowth which is not a good thing. Also research ‘estrogen dominance.’ You have come this far…keep doing the research. You will find your answers. I have many articles about HRT on my blog at http://holyhormones.com

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Dr Tony Coope | 8:59 pm, January 20th

Cheryl: whatever the reasons for your hysterectomy, it is odds-on that you have had an imbalance in your estrogen/progesterone ratio for many years prior to this. Leslie is right in saying that the condition of ‘estrogen dominance’ is still not well recognised by the medical mainstream. I wouldn’t go so far as to say ‘most’ women (or men) are estrogen dominant, but it is certainly very common, and should be suspected wherever there are persistent heavy periods, PMS, fibroids, difficulties in conception, recurrent miscarriages, breast and ovarian cysts, to mention but a few.
In this context she is also right in saying that adding more estrogen is not a good thing without the balance of bio-identical progesterone, which may be all you need in any case.

I think it would be best for you to find a doctor who can establish the truth of your situation rather than self-medicate here, – it could save you difficulties later on. I would be happy to go through this with you if you would like, – just e-mail me at drcoope@bio-hormone-health.com

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marilyn rosado | 4:59 pm, March 27th

Dear Drs.,
I had a total abdominal hysterectomy 10 years ago and have been on cenestin 0.3% since. So far, all is okay. However, I want to wean off the medicine entirely and just recently have begun a tapering regimen of 1/2 tablet daily for a month, then every 2 days for a month and so on. For years I have been taking calcium plus D, Omega 3, Flaxseed oil, B-complex, Magnesium and a Multivitamin daily. I also take 12.5mg for HBP (everyone in my family has it). I also do 30 minutes cardio daily with weight lifting 5-6 days a week. Do you think that with these supplements I will be okay without the HRT. I do not want any form of HRT once I have tapered off over the next 5 months.

I appreciate any response.

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Dr Tony Coope | 3:20 pm, March 31st

Marilyn: your regime of supplements and the slow weaning-off your HRT should certainly reduce the likelihood of symptoms, which are often associated with too-rapid changes in hormone levels.
However, there are other factors involved. There seems to be a correlation between the appearance of symptoms at and after menopause and the experiencing of problems at the menarche (the original onset of menstruation), premenstrually, or after birth (the baby blues). I have written about this and its connection with trauma in childhood and adolescence in an earlier article on this site (‘The Menopause: Golden Opportunity or Last Chance Saloon?’). Having a previous history at one of these times makes it more likely, but not inevitable, that a woman will have symptoms later at menopause.

Also, a total hysterectomy is often the consequence of problems related to long-term hormone imbalance, (frequently the syndrome known as ‘estrogen dominance’). If your progesterone has been persistently low, the effects may emerge when you tail off HRT, even though they may have been masked (paradoxically) by the conjugated estrogens of the Cenestin.

Hopefully, all will be well. If you do develop symptoms, however, it would be worth checking your estrogen/progesterone balance via a saliva test.

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Paulette | 7:47 pm, May 22nd

I had a total (ovaries gone) hysterectomy at 35, I’m now 51. I had menstrual problems (heavy bleeding requiring 8 D&C’s over the years, long periods without a period, fertility problems – requiring a specialist’s help of laser surgery on my ovaries combined with Clomid to successfully conceive) my entire life. I was put on CES (conjugated estrogens) at the time of my hysterectomy and my Dr is now suggesting that I slowly taper off it. Only several days into a routine of taking the CES every second day, I’m already feeling ‘off’. Nauseous, dizzy at times. I’m worried this is going to be a nightmare! My GP is clearly not tuned in to the effects of hormones in the body as he passed this off as being no big deal. I’m beginning to realize it very well might be. We live in a small town however, with my options for treatment being limited. I know my hormones have been out of whack forever, so I’m wondering if I should be getting more specialized care, or just continue with this taper off plan and deal with its effects as best I can on my own.
Thank you for any suggestions you may have!

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Dr Tony Coope | 8:54 pm, May 29th

Paulette: this is a very unfortunate story; your original symptoms, infertility and subsequent events strongly suggest that you were suffering from low progesterone levels . Then later, although the CES damped down the potential estrogen-deficiency symptoms resulting from the removal of your ovaries, these are now emerging as you come off the HRT and can continue for a distressingly long time.
Although it is a good idea to come off the CES in due course, you shouldn’t have to go ‘cold turkey’, and I think it’s important to establish accurately your present progesterone and estrogen levels. You may in fact need both, and it is helpful to know where you are starting from!
Also, unless you have been remarkably calm about all you have experienced, the accumulated stress may have over time depleted your adrenal, and perhaps thyroid functions, increasing your hormonal problems.
If you are unable to find a doctor in your area who understands the biochemical basis of your problems, (not all endocrinologists and gynaecologists seem to think in these terms), it should not be difficult to sort this out via a telephone consultation (and a test or two if necessary) and have you return to a state of well-being you have probably forgotten is possible. I would be happy to go through this with you if you would like.

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Carol | 7:07 pm, June 7th

I’m 60years old and for the past nine years have been onFemSeven Conti.I suffered vey much with vaginal dryness and cystitis,but have been advised to come off hrt now due to increased risk of breast cancer.I have cut my patch down now to a quarter after 4 months and have had a few problems back again.My doctor has prescribed vagifem which have helped and i have ordered a jar of natural progesterone.My doctor has also prescribed 2months of Evorel25 to use with the progesterone while I wean myself off my FemSeven.Am I to use the patches and progesterone continuously or to have a break of 7days a month,many thanks Carol

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Dr Tony Coope | 11:32 pm, June 11th

Carol: this situation may be more complicated than it needs to be. I am not clear as to whether you are still using the FemSeven Conti (in reducing doses) at the same time as the Evorel 25 patches and the progesterone cream, or whether you have replaced them with the Evorel.
If it is the first option, and you are using both patches with the progesterone cream, then there are two potential problems:
Firstly, that of again increasing your exposure to estrogen, and secondly, that the synthetic progestogen (levonorgestrel) in the FemSeven will compete for your cell receptor sites with the bioidentical progesterone, reducing the latter’s beneficial effects.
If it is the second option, this is logical and efficient, as the Evorel patch releases 25mcg per 24 hrs, half the dose of the FemSeven, and no progestogen, which is replaced by the progesterone cream, thereby ensuring a smooth transition.
I would suggest continuing with the progesterone, in a cycle of 3 weeks on/1 week off; using the Evorel patches continuously but cutting these down as you are able according to the level of symptoms; and dispensing with the FemSeven patches altogether.

At some point it could be helpful to have a saliva test for estrogen and progesterone to establish your balance of these hormones.

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Barbara | 5:45 pm, July 7th

Hi: Is Vagifem safer to use vs. the combination of estradiol patches (Vivelle .025, changing 2x week) + progesterone cream (1 ml. every night)? I am 64 yrs. old and have CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome), fibromyalgia, and IBS. Thanks.

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Dr Tony Coope | 10:22 am, July 8th

Barbara: this isn’t quite comparing like with like, as Vagifem (estradiol) vaginal tablets are used specifically for the treatment of vaginal atrophy, having a mainly local action, while estradiol patches have a more general application, the hormone being absorbed and distributed throughout the body via the circulation. It is never quite so clear-cut, however, as the patches often help the VA, the cell receptors there taking up some estrogen from the bloodstream, and a small proportion of the estrogen used vaginally will also find its way into the general circulation, occasionally having some effect on hot flushes, etc.
For practical purposes, Vagifem can be considered very safe, although I prefer to use Gynest (estriol cream or pessaries), which is a much weaker estrogen and is therefore used in greater volume, helpful in reaching the entire surface area of the vagina.
Bioidentical progesterone can be used with either local or general estrogen therapy, and adds another dimension of safety.
Which combination you should use depends on whether your menopausal symptoms are general or local, or both, and what your progesterone/estrogen levels are (it would be helpful to have a 1-day saliva test to establish this).
Lastly, one has to consider hormonal deficiencies or imbalances in the context of other illnesses present. I find that many women with chronic fatigue and related syndromes have depleted adrenal and thyroid function. This often has to be addressed before the hormone problem can be fully resolved; (if you would like further info on this, e-mail me at drcoope@bio-hormone-health.com).

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Pamela | 3:29 pm, September 21st

Just was wondering what I can do to lose the belly, thigh and hip fat that has been gained while on hormone replacement. I am on Progesterone, Testosterone and was on Estrogen for a very short time, but no longer take Estrogen. Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks!

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wellsprings | 4:29 pm, September 21st

It is common to put weight on in those areas at menopause and the best advice is a good diet and exercise targeted to those specific areas – wish we had an easier answer for you.

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Dr Tony Coope | 9:37 pm, September 21st

Pamela: if it was on standard HRT (with a synthetic progestin) that you put on weight, then switching to your present regime (especially without the estrogen) should increase your likelihood of reversing this trend.
If you have been gaining weight on this second regime, omitting the estrogen may help, but it is worth considering other factors:
1. How much stress have you been under, and for how long, and how much carbohydrate does your diet contain? Stress always releases glucose into the bloodstream as part of the ‘fight or flight’ response. If this is not quickly used up, the pancreas has to secrete insulin to remove it. In chronic stress this can lead over time to ‘insulin resistance’ with persistently high levels of insulin in the blood, which means that a high proportion of carbohydrate is immediately converted into fat, making it very difficult to lose weight. A diet high in carbohydrates (especially those with a high glycaemic index which are absorbed rapidly into the bloodstream) will exacerbate this. Chronic stress also causes more progesterone to be converted into the stress hormone cortisol, denying the body some of the the former’s benefits , and increasing the deposition of fat in the abdominal area.
2. Have you had your thyroid function checked? An underactive gland, even moderately, can have a significant effect on your weight.
3. Have you a past history of symptoms of estrogen dominance? An extended period on the contraceptive pill or standard HRT can also lead to a progesterone/estrogen imbalance, which tends to encourage fat deposition on the
hips and thighs.
Dr Tony Coope

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pamela | 9:38 pm, September 21st

I do that already…I workout five days a week and with a great personal trainer. It is a tough weight…it is holding on for dear life. I think the only answer it to stop HRT and deal with the symptoms

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Ronda | 10:18 am, January 23rd

Hi I had a full hysterectomy 8years ago and commenced Evorel 100 patches 6weeks after my operation. Three months ago I requested for them to be cut down due the the side effects of taking HRT long term. The first few weeks I felt ok but now I am develoding symptoms headaches night sweats and a bit PMT like symptoms. Is there something I can add in to reduce these symptoms? I was hoping to cut down to Evorel 25 but I dont think I am ready due to the symptoms I am having now .

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Dr Tony Coope | 5:55 pm, January 23rd

Ronda: you may well be suffering from symptoms that have a more complex cause than is often the case. If your hysterectomy was for heavy bleeding and/or fibroids, it is likely you have had longstanding ‘estrogen dominance’, – a relative deficiency of progesterone in relation to estrogen, even if your estrogen levels were in the normal range. In this latter case your post-hysterectomy symptoms would not be too severe.
Then you are put on a high-dose estrogen patch; when you try to reduce your dose of Evorel, you experience the estrogen withdrawal symptoms of night sweats etc. This acute phase may subside, but I believe these symptoms in the longer term are not just about estrogen, but about hormone balance as well as other factors such as stress and unresolved emotional issues.
Given your history, you will need progesterone as part of the solution, and of course many doctors, as yours has, follow the mainstream guidelines that women having had a hysterectomy only need estrogen. If they do prescribe a progestogen, it will be a synthetic version that only addresses a part of what you need, and also has some risks attached, unlike bioidentical progesterone.
it is possible that the Wellsprings 20:1 combined cream might help, although it only has a small percentage of estrogen. The most likely successful combination for you, in my mind, could be a combination of a lower-strength estrogen patch with progesterone cream.

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Linda | 2:50 pm, February 5th

I had a complete hysterectomy for endometriosis and pelvic congestion among other things 33 years ago when I was 27. I originally started on HRT of Ogen and then went to patch, then back to generic Ogen. I am on the lowest dose available and have for the last 3 weeks been cutting the tablets in half. I want to get off of the HRT but have noticed that I have a low grade headache almost constantly with occasional stronger ones. I assume this is because of the reduction in HRT. I haven’t noticed any other “temperature” issues, maybe a bit more waking up in the middle of the night. Are there natural herbs or remedies that can help with the side effects that will be coming?

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wellsprings | 3:23 pm, February 5th

Linda – as you will have from the article it is best to reduce gradually as you have been doing and you do also need to rebalance your hormones with bioidentical natural progesterone. Progesterone provides protection for your bones and to prevent heart disease and balances oestrogen dominance. You might find it interesting to also read these articles by Dame Dr Shirley Bond and Dr David Zava: http://www.bio-hormone-health.com/2010/03/15/what-is-oestrogen-dominance/ and http://www.bio-hormone-health.com/2011/05/18/natural-progesterone-as-a-preventive-for-breast-cancer-by-dr-david-zava/ and finally this one too http://www.bio-hormone-health.com/2011/07/14/dispelling-the-myths-and-misconceptions-about-natural-progesterone/

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Fatima Sindhi | 9:30 pm, March 4th

Hi, I am 52 years old and I have just entered menopause and stopped menstruating just over a year ago. I had a ligation 17 years ago when my last child was born. I decided to visit my doctor since i am now getting hot flushes and mood swings. My ovaries are still intact and so my doctor prescribed Evorel Conti patches. I have just used it for a month and gained 4kgs. I have now stopped and would like start natural treatment. Please help coz the night sweats become unbearable sometimes.
Thnx

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wellsprings | 8:59 am, March 5th

Fatima – based on the symptoms you describe – which are those of oestrogen dominance – then Serenity would be the best place to start rebalancing your hormones. Generally most women find that progesterone alone is sufficient to control their symptoms and only switch to 20-1 with its added natural oestrogens if they have a specific need for oestrogen related symptoms or their flushes are not sufficiently controlled by Serenity alone.

You will find articles by experts in natural hormone usage and prescribing on the site, and these two might be most helpful to you:

http://www.bio-hormone-health.com/2010/03/15/what-is-oestrogen-dominance/

http://www.bio-hormone-health.com/2010/03/15/the-three-main-reasons-why-women-get-hot-flashes/

You can also visit our Facebook page for comments and support from other users of Serenity: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wellsprings/162264887197

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Jeanne G | 9:46 pm, March 7th

Have been taking cenestin for approx. 15 years (.3) Had a total hysterectomy 25 years ago, had breast cancer, Stage 1 with radiation and lumpectomy in1990. My doctor says I should continue with the cenestin, even though everything I read points to discontinuing it. I am 79 years old – look and feel years younger. What to do???

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wellsprings | 9:08 am, March 8th

Jeanne – we believe that cenestin is a combination of 9 synthetic oestrogens and oestrogen use is linked to an increased risk for cancer and strokes.

Current medical advice is that oestrogen is not suitable for women with any history of breast cancer and that if it is prescribed it should be used at the lowest effective dose and for the shortest amount of time.

Women after a hysterectomy do need progesterone to balance their hormones, protect from strokes and strengthen their bones so we suggest you discuss this again with your doctor and ask for what specifically you are still taking this medication.

You will find a number of articles here that will give you more information and in particular this one may be relevant for you:
http://www.bio-hormone-health.com/2011/07/14/dispelling-the-myths-and-misconceptions-about-natural-progesterone/

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Chris B. | 1:27 pm, March 20th

Hi, i had a partial hysterectomy when i was 36 and now i am 44. I am currently on 50mg on bio-identical progesterone cream. I feel better but i have been dieting and exercising non stop and cannot lose a pound. I was thinking of weaning myself off the cream but dont know how. Doctor is not very helpful. Do you think the cream is causing me not to lose any weight. Just would like to have a different opinion..Thanks

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Dr Tony Coope | 4:14 pm, March 23rd

Chris B: Usually progesterone tends towards the opposite, as it supports thyroid function, and also acts as a diuretic, encouraging the excretion of excess fluid from the body. In the USA Dr CW Randolf has written a whole book, (‘From Belly Fat to Belly Flat’), about the ways this hormone can contribute to weight loss. So, as from your history it seems likely that you have in the past had a prolonged depletion of progesterone, I wouldn’t follow the impulse to discontinue it.
The only theoretical way that it could in certain circumstances cause weight gain is if it sensitizes estrogen receptors, which then respond more actively to estrogen already present, increasing fluid retention and interfering with optimum thyroid function, the opposite effect of progesterone itself.
A more fruitful approach might be to look at the possibility of lowered thyroid function, and also whether you have a degree of insulin resistance, either of which can make taking off the pounds extremely difficult. A mild degree of each of these, plus a history of stress leading to adrenal fatigue and some hormone disruption (the stress hormone cortisol is made from progesterone) is difficult to diagnose using compartmented mainstream thinking, but exists in the population in seriously large numbers.
Let me know if you need further information on this.

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Pauline | 11:18 pm, April 5th

Hello

I am taking Premique 0.625mg/5mg 28 day continuously and have been on HRT for approx 20 years and am61 years of age. I would like to come off it and if I were to take one tablet every other day to wean myself off, when should I start taking the serenity cream. Should I wait for a month or two or can I start it almost straight away to replace slowly what I will be missing when I stop HRT completely. If possible I dont want to be without the progesterone and so could start taking the serenity cream to replace or top up what I will be losing with the reduced HRT.
Thank you for your help

Pauline

Thank you for your help and advice

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Dr Tony Coope | 12:42 pm, April 6th

Pauline: this is a slightly tricky one, as Premique consists of both conjugated estrogens and a synthetic progestogen in the one tablet. Ideally you would replace the progestogen with the progesterone cream (Serenity) at the start, leaving you to gradually reduce the estrogen component over time according to the degree of withdrawal symptoms you may experience. This is not possible here, but a neat solution would be to stop the Premique and immediately replace it with the Serenity cream, with the addition of Premarin 0.625mg tablets, which contain only conjugated estrogens at the same dose. You can then take as long as you need to reduce the estrogen, while continuing with the progesterone.
If you find difficulty in obtaining a prescription for Premarin, you could start the Serenity and then gradually reduce the Premique as you describe. The only potential downside to this is that the synthetic progestogen and the progesterone in Serenity will be competing for the same receptor sites, possibly interfering with the full effect of the progesterone. This will lessen, however, as you increasingly wean yourself off the Premique.

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Anita | 3:02 pm, April 29th

Hello Dr. : after 5 horrifying months of HRT (combination estradiol and levonorgestrel) I weaned myself off in one month and dispensed of it completely 3 days ago. it caused extreme fatigue, joint pains stiffness and messed up my thyroid and adrenals so badly I suffered constant hair shedding , droopy eyelids double bags under eyes,and low body temperature. within days of cutting the patch in half I started to improve yet the doctors insisted nothing was wrong and the blood tests showed “normal” tsh levels…anyway, I am on the mend now, and I can feel the hot flashes creeping up on me already, although they are not yet “full blown” . how long (days/weeks) must I wait before trying Serenity progesterone cream?

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wellsprings | 3:22 pm, April 29th

Anita – there is no need to wait at all you can start with Serenity immediately. You will find information on application and dosage plus other questions here: http://support.wellsprings-health.com/?ref=wel_email

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Kate | 5:12 pm, April 30th

Can you get everol conti in a 25mcg patches. If not is it okay to half everol conti 50mcg patches.

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Dr Tony Coope | 10:10 pm, April 30th

Kate: it appears that Evorel Conti patches only come in the 50 microgram strength. There is no reason why you should not cut the patches in half, – this would give you a dosage of 50 mcg estradiol and 85 mcg of norethisterone (synthetic progestogen) per 24 hours.
However, I would be happier if you used an Evorel (estradiol only) patch, which IS available in a 25mcg strength, and replaced the synthetic progestin with bioidentical progesterone. This would give you the same or greater benefit with a much lower risk of side effects.

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Kate | 12:28 pm, May 1st

Thankyou for your reply concerning everol patches. I would like to take your advice and use a 25mcg Evorel (estradiol only patch) along with bioidentical progesterone. I have been on Kliovance conti in the recent past and only a bit nauseated. However at the end of second packet and during the third packet I started to bleed on three occasions. Would you recommend a really low dosage of bioidentical progesterone (Lower than 25mg patch).

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Margaret | 12:41 pm, May 1st

I wonder if you could offer some advice please. I am 53 and have been on Premarin 0.3mg for the last four years and have a marina coil in place almost seven years. The reason I went on hrt was the extreme mood swings, hot flushes and night sweats. I woul like to come off the tablets and have the coil removed but don’t know what to do. My older sister has breast cancer and says I should be on them. My health mentally is not great and I take sleeping tablets also. Any advise would be appreciated.

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Margaret | 12:43 pm, May 1st

Sorry that comment should have read should not instead of should

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Dr Tony Coope | 10:50 pm, May 1st

Kate: because bioidentical progesterone is safe, has many potential benefits, and is protective against estrogen-dependent cancers (breast, womb and ovaries), it would be best to use it in the standard dose of 1/8th of a teaspoon twice daily, three weeks on, one week off. There is no need to be concerned about keeping the dosage down to the minimum while you are also on the Evorel patches.

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Dr Tony Coope | 12:06 am, May 2nd

Margaret: I’m having to make a few assumptions here, but I’m very happy to go through this with you in more detail if that would be helpful (e-mail: drcoope@bio-hormone-health.com).
I agree with your sister, for the following reasons. if you had the Mirena coil fitted to reduce premenopausal heavy bleeding (fibroids?), this would suggest that your progesterone levels had been low for many years, which would increase your risk of depression or emotional fragility. If it was for contraception, then you do not need it now. The problem is that you have been put on Premarin (conjugated estrogens only) and need a progestogen to oppose/balance any risks associated with that. The synthetic progestin in the coil is designed to act locally and is not a good choice to fulfill that function; it is also known in some women to worsen pre-existing depression or emotional problems, and interfere with regular sleep patterns; – is it possible that this is what has happened to you?
Lastly, as you have a family history of breast cancer, ineffectively balanced estrogens are definitely not a good idea.
The good news is that the solution is relatively simple. I would have the coil taken out asap, which could have surprisingly beneficial effects on sleep and mood. I would stay on the Premarin for the moment as cover for the hot flushes and night sweats, and start on a double dose of progesterone cream (1/4 of a teaspoon twice daily) until you stabilise. Then when you feel ready, weeks or even several months later, you can cut to half that dose and start to reduce the estrogen tablets to see what dose you actually need, if at all.
You may well need some guidance and support in all this, so do let me know if you do not have access to that.

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