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Why Hormones Can Sometimes Initially Make Symptoms Worse

Dr Tony Coope answers a question that some women ask after starting bio-identical progesterone treatment.

Dr Tony Coope
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The women that this phenomenon usually affects are those with a degree of estrogen dominance, which may have manifested as PMS, bloating, breast tenderness or cysts, lethargy, a tendency to gain weight, headaches/migraines, infertility, polycystic ovaries, insomnia, depression and altered mood – symptoms of excess estrogen in relation to progesterone.

In these cases the progesterone has been prescribed to ‘oppose’ the excess estrogen. In a balanced system the two hormones work together to regulate a woman’s menstrual cycle and fertility, and to encourage the normal growth of the foetus in the womb after fertilisation. There are no direct side effects from progesterone in standard doses, and theoretically its use should rectify the imbalance and resolve many of the symptoms. And so it usually does.

Women With Estrogen Dominance

However in women with previous ‘estrogen dominance’ the body’s estrogen receptors may have become less responsive (desensitized) to this hormone. The receptors are the ‘ears’ of the cells, listening out for and receiving instructions from the various hormones such as estrogen and progesterone. If the messages are ‘too loud for too long’, the receptors go ‘deaf’ and no longer respond, not unlike husbands when persistently nagged by their wives! In this case the message from estrogen is too strong and the receptors ‘down-regulate’ in an attempt to lower the volume and maintain balance.

In some women, the introduction of progesterone results in a re-sensitisation or awakening of these estrogen receptors, which now respond anew to the estrogen that is already present. For a short while this produces more of the same symptoms which then gradually subside as progesterone levels increase. During this transition stage it is easy for a woman to become discouraged and even discontinue the cream. The dosage can be reduced for a while to alleviate some of the symptoms, but it is vital to continue with the progesterone and return to a normal dose as the ‘flare up’ resolves.

Regular Users of Bio-Identical Hormones

Paradoxically, women who have been on progesterone for a while (often 9-18 months) may also suffer an exacerbation of similar symptoms. Here the mechanism is different, and appears to be due to the progesterone receptors becoming less sensitive over time – a sort of ‘progesterone resistance’. Estrogen is no longer fully opposed and therefore balanced by progesterone, the receptors for which are no longer responding to its message.

This seems likely to be due to an initial extra sensitivity to the hormone, so that the standard dose is more than is needed for full effect. This can occur in women who have suffered severe or long-term stress, so that their systems become exhausted and over-reactive at the same time.

The temptation in this case is to increase the dose of progesterone, which may work for a while, but usually only creates more resistance. The answer is in fact to stop the cream for a cycle or two until symptoms have abated, to allow the receptors to regain their sensitivity, and then to re-introduce it carefully at a lower dose, gradually increasing until you feel in balance, and stopping at the lowest dose that is effective.

Lastly, in both situations, supplements such as DIM, indole-3-carbinyl, milk thistle and also cruciferous vegetables, such as broccoli and cauliflower, may improve the metabolism of estrogen in the liver. This speeds up the process, as does the use of high quality probiotics, which discourage the reabsorption of estrogen by the gut.

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Gemma johnson | 1:20 am, October 7th

At 58 I would love to pluck up the courage and try this cream but when I had started my menopause at 32 and blood tests confirmed finished at 42 I was put on hrt and many but they all drove me almost insane and my acne severe.
I came away from all hrt as I felt so shamed and have not had any help since.
Am 58 and would like to try this but will I have all the problems as I did with ?
Gemma

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Dr Tony Coope | 5:25 am, October 7th

Gemma: I don’t think you really need to find courage, just trust, – there is absolutely nothing to fear. It is likely that you had a low progesterone level for some time before your menopause. The estrogen in the HRT would then have not been ‘opposed’, giving rise to estrogen excess and further hormonal imbalance, and the symptoms you describe. In addition, any synthetic progestin in the HRT has the potential to exacerbate symptoms both of depression and those similar to PMS.
Bio-identical progesterone in action is a very different compound to the synthetic progestins, is very safe, and has opposite effects, so I really recommend that you try it. If you need any help with this, please let me know.

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Gemma johnson | 10:08 pm, October 8th

Dr Coope

Thank you for your reply , I have purchased a pot of natural progesterone
From wellsprings who also sent me an email saying that for the first month I should double the dose for the first month is this necessary would it not be too much considering the awful side effects from the hrt which were suppose to help when infact made the symptoms worse and this is what am worrying me.

Kind regards
Gemma

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Dr Tony Coope | 9:08 am, October 9th

Gemma: the symptoms you experienced previously were side-effects from the HRT itself, excess estrogen and synthetic progestin, and would have likely continued as long as you were on it. Any symptoms you may experience when first using the progesterone cream will be nothing to do with the progesterone itself, but short-lived and temporary due to a re-sensitisation of estrogen receptors, as I have explained in the article. On standard doses, If this were to happen at all for you (it’s not necessarily to be expected), it should only last a week or two, disappearing once your progesterone levels have been restored to normal.
This is why it is sometimes recommended to double the dose initially, – it builds up the progesterone levels more quickly, and shortens the duration of any temporary symptoms if they occur. I usually start with a standard dose, and change it if these do occur.
The important thing to remember is that you will continue to have problems until your progesterone levels are restored, and this can’t happen until you actually use it. I repeat, it’s not the same as the HRT you had before.

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Gemma johnson | 4:24 pm, October 13th

Dr Coope

Can you tell me where I can get natural Progesterone ,pro-juven cream or Progrest 1.5 Emeritas 1.5 as am told the body does not need to convert it and maybe better for me
Gemma

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Dr Tony Coope | 10:05 am, October 14th

Gemma: I’m not sure what you mean by ‘the body does not need to convert it’, as progesterone has its own very important effects, but can also converted as needed into the stress hormone cortisol, estrogen, aldosterone which controls fluid balance in the body, and testosterone.
I think we need to have a conversation about all this, so I’ll e-mail you direct and if you like we can discuss it and I’ll hope to answer your questions.

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Karine | 9:09 pm, November 29th

I am not sure if in my case things are getting worse before getting better: it’s hard for me to tell with my history and symptoms. After an operation following a severe case of PID after a doctor pierced my uterine membrane while installing an IUD, I started suffering from nightsweats until I discovered natural progesterone at age 33 (am now 35). I did have cysts removed during operation but doctors tell me even today that I don’t have PCOS, yet cysts remain in my abdomen and occasionally burst at ovulation. Before starting a little dose of 1 dab/day, I had monthly headaches, bloating, extreme depression during pms, insomnia and nightsweats. I also took many vitamins/supplements recommended in Dr Lee’s book which really helped. Everything went away very quickly and my cycle became very regular, and I stopped natural progesterone for a few months after and all was fine. After a stressful move back to the UK it appears my symptoms came back about 5 months ago (especially PMS and its 3 days of extreme depression – I am not normally depressed!) and so I have doubled the dose of natural progesterone as recommended in Dr Lee’s book and taking supplements again for 2 months now. I have been feeling wonderful and the extreme depression has magically vanished as soon as I started again. However, the nightsweats and insomnia seem worse, libido is non-existent, and although my periods are always fairly regular, the last one was rather weak and dragging on for 10 days. I have not had children yet, am rather thin and my mother started menopause early at 34 (although after an emotional shock), but doctors seem to ignore my concern as they say I still have a fairly regular period. My gyne here in the UK took blood tests and said my hormones were fine, and offered antidepressants and the pill, which I both refuse to take as I feel fine except those 3 days of monthly depression and the nightsweats… and surely that would not help my libido! Could these symptoms be a temporary effect – things getting worse before getting better? Could these be symptoms of estrogen deficiency as well, as Dr Bond mentions in another article where she mentions “groups” of symptoms? Or am I just clearly heading towards an early menopause? I’m just afraid of stopping the progesterone cream yet as it only just got rid of my extreme depression but at the same time… perhaps stopping a while would help? Any help is appreciated, I must have missed information somewhere…! Kind regards, Karine.

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Karine | 9:17 pm, November 29th

Oops I now realise how long my previous post was! Apologies! I guess I only want to know if I’m going in the right direction – of course I am considering seeking help from a doctor more inclined to use bio identical hormones for saliva testing, but before doing so thought perhaps I should give this new regimen a bit more time? Thank you and sorry again! Karine

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wellsprings | 10:01 am, November 30th

Karine – your symptoms have been present for quite some time and two months may not be enough to completely rebalance your hormones. So your instinct is right and if you keep on with the regime and monitor your progress you should see results. However, seeing a doctor experienced in natural hormone usage would also be helpful for more individual advice.

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Karine | 10:08 am, November 30th

Thank you for your quick reply. I’ve actually ordered more progesterone from your company last night (and some for my mum!) and will keep at it another few months. I have confidence it works, I just want to make sure I do it properly. Thanks again!

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Dr Tony Coope | 10:18 pm, November 30th

Karine: just to say I agree with the advice given above to continue with your present regime, and to give it time. What stands out for me in your story is the link between significantly stressful events and the subsequent appearance of symptoms, – firstly the PID and uterine perforation, then your move back to the UK. If you have the same sensitivity that your mother had as regards stress or shock impacting the reproductive system, this could also be important. A possibility here is of borderline low levels of progesterone being further reduced by the knock-on physiological effects of stress, – most of your symptoms are suggestive of a ‘dominance’ of estrogen in relation to progesterone. This is why it is important to continue the progesterone, and I’m glad you are doing that.
It’s less clear what your estrogen levels might be, – it is possible to be estrogen dominant even with reduced estrogen, if your progesterone is lower still. If your blood tests were ‘fine’ this should mean that your FSH and LH were normal, ruling out premature ovarian failure and early menopause. I think you are very wise to turn down antidepressants and the pill, and I would hope that you will now gradually come back into balance.
If progress proves disappointing, then it would be important to have a saliva hormone screen, and also consider the possible role here of your adrenals, taking into consideration the stress you have experienced more recently, and also back in the past.

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Karine | 3:39 pm, December 1st

Dr Coope, thank you so much for your very detailed answer. Strangely enough, although I realised stress played a role in my situation lately, I had not even thought of my operation as a source of stress in the first place (but it was definitely stressful – I am just used to operations as I’ve had a few in my childhood). My stress is now at manageable levels, so I will continue with natural progesterone and hope to see an improvement shortly, and if not I will act as you suggested. I truly believe natural progesterone works, I just need to get the dosage right and… not stress about it in the meantime! Thank you once again for your time.
Karine

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Neeta | 2:35 pm, January 31st

I have been on a low dose combination patch HRT (bio-identical estrogen, but synthetic progesterone , Climara Pro) for 6 weeks to address severe hot flashes lack of sleep crashing fatigue, severe vaginal dryness, hair loss and terrible joint pains and aches. it has helped tremendously but I find now the aches/pains and fatigue are coming back. and I feel like I am in slow motion, and have gained 4 inches around my waist, although only 5 lbs bodyweight overall, this is very disconcerning, as I have lost over 100 lbs 2 years ago and now I’m struggling to keep it off, when I had no problems until menopause hit! . all my blood tests were normal. I am age 51 and no periods for 2 years. my biggest fear is that I will feel like this forever and I will not be able to gain my energy back. a few months ago I was running 3 x a week, doing high intensity interval training, walking daily, weight training, felt like a million bucks and looked slim and much younger than my age. . It seems suddently I now look old, I feel tired and weak and have to push myself to do anything. it takes me 3 hours to get myself in gear in the mornings. please tell me there is hope and that bio-identical hormones will help me.

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Dr Tony Coope | 10:58 pm, January 31st

Neeta: it’s not easy to work out exactly what is going on here without knowing something of your past history. Your initial symptoms are characteristic of classical menopause, usually attributed to the decline in estrogen levels, but often the picture is more complicated than this, and the previous (and present) levels of progesterone can play a significant part in how you feel.
Your initial improvement is almost certainly due to the estrogen you are using, but the dose may not be high enough. The synthetic progestogen is limited in its ability to fully ‘balance’ the negative effects of estrogen, and in your case may well be part of the problem.
If possible, I like to know progesterone and estrogen levels before starting any form of HRT, and usually find saliva testing is much more helpful, but it would take at least two months off HRT for your hormones to return to their original levels, which with your symptoms would not be either practical or sustainable.
But I think you may well have a much better result using an estrogen-only patch or another form of estrogen, plus (separately) bioidentical progesterone, the dosage of each being adjustable according to your symptoms.
Do let me know if you need further help with this.

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Helen | 12:14 pm, March 13th

I have a long history of natural pregnancies, IVF (due to husband’s low sperm counts), miscarriages etc. Hence my hormonal balance has been through the mill.
I am now going through early menopause at age 42. Periods are irregular or absent and often very long. My doctor prescribed HRT which I only took for 10 days before putting on 5 lb in weight and suffering severe nausea.
Then 5 months ago I tried Wellsprings Serenity cream and after about 5 or 6 weeks the hot flushes disappeared. After another month I started on 20-1 cream in a bid to alleviate vaginal dryness. I was getting on absolutely fine until a few weeks ago and the hot flushes have come back with a vengeance. I am reluctant to go back to my highly sceptical GP but can’t live like this.
What do you suggest?

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Catz | 3:07 pm, May 11th

I have fibroids, simple hyper-plasia, hormonal migraine and had an ovarian cyst (which led to an oopherectomy). All symptomatic of estrogen dominance. My Gyne wants to do a full hysterectomy and put me on hrt. I am following a more conservative route for the moment and will shortly start a bolus of progesterone tablets to hopefully kick start my ovary into producing progesterone again.

My gyn dismissed my using a natural progesterone as the dose would be too low and imprecise.

Would it be worth using progesterone cream after this? I’m not yet menopausal (46yrs).

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wellsprings | 3:19 pm, May 11th

Catz – certainly worth trying bioidentical progesterone cream as your fibroids are linked to oestrogen dominance and this may not be resolved just by removing the fibroid.

Progesterone will protect you from breast cancer, heart disease and osteoporosis so certainly worth considering. It would also be worth reading Dr Shirley Bond’s article on oestrogen dominance at this link http://www.bio-hormone-health.com/2010/03/15/what-is-oestrogen-dominance/ and also http://www.bio-hormone-health.com/2011/01/06/fibroids-more-likely-on-approach-to-menopause/

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Dr Tony Coope | 5:58 pm, May 11th

Catz: as an addendum to the above, the standard dose of the progesterone cream is calibrated to supply the body’s average premenopausal needs, which theoretically should be enough to slow or stop further growth of your fibroids. In practice it can be more complicated than this, but as progesterone is so safe, there is no problem in increasing the dose in the hope of shrinking them. Any concern about an ‘imprecise’ dosage doesn’t really stand up, partly because of the safety aspect and also because progesterone is an ‘intermediate’ substance and can be converted in the body to other vital hormones as well as the stress hormone cortisol.
So I am also sure that progesterone can be of benefit to you in this situation, and could also help reduce your tendency to migraines.

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